Things get ugly after ICE agent kills U.S. citizen in Minnesota

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  1. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I can't judge this incident because I haven't seen it from a good angle, but there is outrage over an ICE agent's fatal shooting of a U.S. citizen. Some say that the woman was simply turning around to get away from the agents who were trying to get her to get out of her SUV. Others are saying that, from the officer's angle, it looked like she was going to run him over, so he had the right to use deadly force.

    The mayor of Minneapolis told ICE to "get the f*ck out." Governor Walz warned the Minnesota National Guard to prepare for deployment to protect citizens. As I have been saying, Trump is, by far, the most divisive president of my lifetime.

    Here is the problem with Walz's plans for the National Guard. Anyone who knows more about the law can feel free to chime in. The National Guard can be federalized, but the State Guards cannot. Every state should have an armed State Guard to fulfill what the founding fathers wanted. Many, if not most, states deactivated their State Guards. None of the active ones are trained in combat, and they don't carry weapons. Some of them used to be trained in combat during the WWII and Cold War eras. Other than the assistance they provide after natural disasters, State Defense Forces are basically useless.

    That said, I think Walz is more so getting the National Guard ready for potential protests since Minnesota has a history of large, violent protests over police brutality. Some political commentators are saying that he wants to deploy the National Guard to protect citizens from ICE.

    Gov. Tim Walz issues warning order for Minnesota National Guard after ICE shooting
     
  2. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    It's clear to me that the officer was right in the path of the vehicle. The driver was disobeying orders and could have hit that officer. The officer did end up sidestepping and it appeared as the vehicle didn't make any contact with him. (EDIT: I watched a few more times and I can now see it from both perspectives. It's possible that from the driver's perspective, the ICE agent was not in the way, but from the ICE agent's perspective, the vehicle was coming right at him. The ICE agent also could have moved out of the way faster.)

    I'm of two minds on this. First, I think the officer was justified in shooting in the moment. However, this is YET ANOTHER incident where an officer stepped in front of a vehicle to try to stop it from advancing. I've seen a lot of these and it forces a kill-or-be-killed scenario. Totally avoidable.

    As for Tim Walz... I'm not by far the only one who has had enough of him.
     
  3. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Didn't read the news, but it's like a police chase, police are putting people (even bystanders) in harms way. What if the vehicle keeps mowing down pedestrians nearby when the driver swerves to get out of the way? I think police are using their authority and time incorrectly in almost all situations, they could have arrested the person in question when it's at a home, not on a chase.
     
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  4. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    ICE caused the situation. They told the woman to both move her car and get out. ICE is not the police and therefore does not have the ability to detain US citizens. They began reaching for the door handles to try to take her out of her car, which is unlawful. One officer stepped in front of the car as Maniac pointed out, then shot the driver in the face as she drove away. Cowardice and also blatantly against DHS policy even if he felt his life was in danger, which os questionable. He failed to render aid and fled the scene with no injuries, breaking Minnesota state law.

    ICE created this situation as AsianStew correctly pointed out, and is fully responsible for the outcome. It was a reckless public execution.
     
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2026
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The analysis of the video evidence by the media has found that the ICE agent that killed the woman was not in the path of the car on his first shot. On his last two shots he apparently shot at the lady through her open window from the side of the car. That seems pretty definitive that he was not exercising self defense on any of his three shots.

    ICE agent was not in the vehicle’s path when he fired at driver, video shows
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260108171721/https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/01/08/video-ice-shooting-minneapolis/
     
  6. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Here in New Mexico, the ordinary local police and sheriffs kill a few people every year. Sometimes it's justified and sometimes it's not.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    A difference is that ordinary local police and sheriffs are doing a job that people generally appreciate and support. Unfortunately the same cannot be said about ICE.
     
  9. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    This was an execution, not an accident. No murder should be written off so callously.

    Newly released footage shows that. The ICE agent walks around the car filming, then steps in front and she is clearly turning her car away before shooting her as she is driving off. Then calls her a f*cking b*tch.

    https://x.com/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I like the part where he didn't even drop his cell phone as he was run over by the car (NOT!) and killed Renee Good with three shots to her face.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Tragic loss of life.
    I seen different videos and read multiple accounts.
    She was ordered to exit mainly because agents viewed her as obstructing their ongoing operation and wanted to remove her from control of the vehicle, which they saw as a potential threat.
    I understand this is the official story.
    They also appear to have been escalating from verbal direction to physically trying detaining her once she did not move her SUV as instructed.
    It's reported that Renee Good had stopped her SUV in the street where ICE was conducting an immigration raid, waving unmarked vehicles past and effectively blocking or slowing their movement for several minutes.

    ICE and broader DHS policy allows officers to order someone out of a car when they believe that person is interfering with an operation or might pose a safety risk if allowed to drive off.

    If she had turned off the engine, stayed in park, and exited the vehicle when ordered, the specific scenario that officers point to as justification—“a moving vehicle as a weapon”—would probably not have arisen.

    In that case, the most probable next steps are that she would have been handcuffed, searched, and posibly taken into custody related to the immigration enforcement action or any other outstanding legal matters linked to the operation?

    The death would have been avoided.

    Procedurally police advice officers not to get in front of the car with a suspect etc.

    This is not to justify what occurred, just that this death could have been avoided.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Renee Good would not have been killed if she had simply stayed in bed that day. Or if Jonathan Ross (the ICE agent that shot her in the face 3 times) had simply stayed in bed that morning then Renee Good would still be alive.
     
  13. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Or, and hear me out, if Jonathan Ross didn’t draw his gun and shoot her she as she drove away she would still be alive.

    Im tired of this victim blaming.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I was just kind of trying to make a joke. You are correct though that people are victim blaming here. I'll try to more directly address Lerner's post.

    Renee Good broke no laws that we know of. Assuming that is the case, when the agent told her to get out of the car, he had no real authority to do that. When he did that he was just escalating the situation and ordering an American citizen to do something that she did not have to do. A different agent shot her dead, Jonathan Ross. He walked all the way around her car and got pictures of her license plate on the back of her car. If she had done something illegal then she could have easily been arrested later.
     
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  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    She clearly did something that caused the federal agents to approach her.
    I’m not a lawyer and I’m not defending what happened, but if federal agents reasonably believe someone is interfering with their duties, they generally have authority to detain that person or give orders like telling them to step out of the car for safety.
    Renee Gold tried to flee detention in a very dangerous way. If she complied with agents instructions she would be a live.
    This is not to justify the shooting.
    But the official story is that agent shot Renee Gold who used a vehicle as weapon.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2026
  16. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Okay, they still shouldn't have executed her.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    ICE agents cannot legally detain US citizens. That is the law.
    quote:
    ICE officers and agents are on the streets every day, prioritizing public safety by locating, arresting and removing criminal aliens and immigration violators from our neighborhoods.

    ICE does not need judicial warrants to make arrests. Like all other law enforcement officers, ICE officers and agents can initiate consensual encounters and speak with people, briefly detain aliens when they have reasonable suspicion that the aliens are illegally present in the United States, and arrest people they believe are illegal aliens. ICE officers and agents can also detain and search people crossing the border.
    https://www.ice.gov/immigration-enforcement-frequently-asked-questions

    I've heard many many stories about ICE agents stopping people just to hassle them. Of course they have also detained many citizens. Both of those activities are illegal though.

    The location of Jonathan Ross on his first shot, he is clearly on the side of the car at the front left corner. Let's just ignore that shot at this point though. The last two shots where he shot through the open drivers side window were clearly unjustified shots. Unless she was already dead then it would seem clear that Jonathan Ross committed murder.
     
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  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    ICE officers, like other federal agents, can enforce certain federal criminal laws (for example, assault on an officer, obstruction, some trafficking or fraud offenses), and if a U.S. citizen commits a federal crime in their presence, they can be arrested and briefly detained on that criminal basis, not as an “immigration violator.”
     
  19. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    ICE cannot legally execute people.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    ICE officers can enforce about 400 laws that are related to immigration. I understand that they can arrest people that commit felonies that they personally witness. I have absolutely no clue what felony you think Renee Good committed though. I'm of course referring to prior to any shots fired. I'm referring to the point in time where the agent asked her to get out of the car. She did not have to follow that order. the agent can try to talk to her but she doesn't have to engage with him if she didn't want to including getting out of the car when he ordered her out. I copied a paragraph proving that. That paragraph was copied from the ICE.gov website. If you don't believe that paragraph then look it up yourself.
     

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